Season 3 Episode 11 – Thermography vs. Mammography
Thermography vs. Mammography: How they compare and contrast and what you need to know about each regarding early detection of breast cancer.
Thermography Transcription
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Welcome to Take Good Care
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an endeavor of Peachtree City
Obstetric and Gynecology.
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Our aim and mission is to serve
as a source of vital information
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and discussion for women of all ages,
races and walks in life.
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I’m Dr. Mironda Williams.
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I’m Dr.
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Deanna Guthrie, and I am Dr. Karen Greene.
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Welcome to our show.
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For nearly 40 years now,
the month of October
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has been designated
for breast cancer awareness.
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And so all over the country,
there will be programs and initiatives
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really hoping to educate
and encourage women, as well as men
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to be aware of breast cancer strategies,
how to
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look out for yourself,
your family members and your loved ones.
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And for years
now, my partners and I have talked
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with patients about various breast
cancer screening modalities
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and what we feel is the best
one for early detection.
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And over the years, thermography has
really become an option that some women
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would rather utilize because
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of their thinking
that it may be less invasive,
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not as uncomfortable, decrease
in decrease in radiation exposure.
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So we thought that
this would be a good time for us to give
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a little discussion on thermography,
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thermography versus mammography,
and to talk about
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what the differences are with them
and why.
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The American College of Obstetrics
and Gynecology still
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favors mammography
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as the screening standard
for breast health and breast cancer.
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So on today’s show,
we’re going to break that down and offer
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some information that we hope
will be good for you to utilize.
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As you have,
you make your own informed decisions
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about what you would like to do
going forward for your own health care.
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And thermography,
which is also called thermal
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imaging, uses a special camera
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to measure the temperature of the skin
on the breast surface.
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It is a noninvasive test
that involves no radiation.
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Thermography is based on two ideas
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because cancer cells are growing
and multiplying very fast.
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The theory is that blood flow
and metabolism would be higher in an area
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where a cancerous tumor may be developing
as blood flow and metabolism
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increase, the skin temperature goes up
is the theory.
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Mammography or rather thermography.
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Thermography
has been available for several decades,
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but there is no evidence to show
that it is a good screening tool
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to detect breast cancer early.
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And I think that’s the fact
that we really want to drive
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home to individuals
who are trying to determine
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what they want to do for breast cancer
screening.
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Again,
a good screening test for any disease
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is should be designed
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so that it detects early disease changes
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when things can be most treatable.
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So again, thermography,
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though
it has been around for several decades,
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there has been no evidence that shows
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that it is able, as a screening tool
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to detect brand breast cancer early.
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And again, there was
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a recent article
that was published by M.D.
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Anderson that looked at mammography
versus thermography.
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And I’m just going to point out
some of those some of that information.
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And again, regular screening
mammogram is used to detect
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breast cancer early when it is easiest
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to treat successfully.
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Patients at M.D.
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Anderson in the Houston location
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sometimes are given information about
the differences between these two tests.
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But it is their recommendation,
and the only thing
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they offer
as a screening test for mammography
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I’m sorry, is a screening test
for breast cancer to be mammography.
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Sometimes, depending on a woman’s
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study, they may end up getting a 3D
mammogram or Thomas synthesis.
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And again, now Dr.
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Guthrie is going to talk about
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mammography in particular and talk
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and give us information about why
it is such a good screening tool.
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Because, again, what we’re trying
to emphasize during the month of October
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is breast cancer awareness
and screening through mammography.
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Dr. Guthrie, thank you. Dr. Williams.
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So as Dr.
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Williams mentioned before,
a screening test is some is a test
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that you do when you’re not suspecting
any disease, whatever you’re looking for.
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But it is a good test that can,
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she said, pick up early changes
that are most treatable.
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So a mammogram, it’s a low dose
stress the ward low dose
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X-ray picture of the breasts that aids in
detection of breast diseases or lesions.
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Not everything in the
breast is going to be cancer.
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So there are things like calcifications.
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You can have cysts.
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You can have little firm tumors
that are not cancerous but benign.
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Just to kind of describe the process
for women who have not had a mammogram,
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your you disrobe from the waist up and you
have a gown on that opens in the front.
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And the mammography
her will place your breasts on a platform.
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And then another plate comes down slowly
to compress your breast
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because compressing
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the breast tissue gives a better picture
so they can see lesions.
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There’s a misconception that they just
slam your breasts into something.
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They’ve had mammograms.
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That’s about what happens
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during a mammogram.
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Also, you should not wear any deodorant.
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And the reason for that is, is
that deodorants have metallic substances
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in them.
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And aluminum
is the most common metal in it.
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And when you do a mammogram,
if any of it gets anywhere on your breast,
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the metal in the in
the deodorant will pick up
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as if you have calcifications
in your breast,
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which then confuses the issue,
which then makes them
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have to do more workup
when there’s really nothing wrong.
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So that’s why
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they will ask you to remove any deodorant
before you have a mammogram done.
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When you do a mammogram, the screening.
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So there are two types of mammograms.
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There’s a screening mammogram.
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That’s the test that’s done.
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Again, you’re just coming in.
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Nothing is suspected.
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And when you do a screening mammogram,
they take two.
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Each breast gets two images
from different angles.
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And that’s the regular screening
mammogram.
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Now, if anything is seen
on that screening mammogram,
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then you elevate up to
what’s called a diagnostic mammogram.
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And now that area of concern,
they’re going to concentrate
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and take more views of that area.
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So a lot of women will come in
for the exam thinking,
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oh, it’s time for my yearly. I’m
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going to tell them that I felt something
and just get my regular mammogram.
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That will not be the case
if an issue is pointed out that it is.
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It behooves
us to then investigate that area.
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So you cannot have a screening mammogram
for an identified problem.
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Whether or not you feel something
or if something is seen, you do need
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and more elevated tests to to find out
and to better
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analyze the area.
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Dr. Williams
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also mentioned
technology is getting better and better.
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When we first had mammograms,
we actually like took pictures
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like you used to do on film, like
you used to have your Polaroid camera.
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So whenever you had a mammogram done,
they stored all your images on film
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and it was very bulky.
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You had to find a place to store them
and things like that.
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But as technology has developed,
we now have digital mammography.
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The mammogram is performed the same way.
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It has nothing to do with
how the mammogram is performed.
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So you still come in, you still get
your breast compressed and pictures taken,
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but now we can manipulate
the pictures to better
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diagnose
problems so they can enhance the picture.
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If there’s a spot
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that looks kind of shadowy, they can,
just like you could do on your iPhone,
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you can change the picture
so you can see it better.
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You can make it lighter in the background
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so that they can actually do better
as far as diagnosing any lesion.
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So it’s not changing
how a mammogram is done.
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It’s changing how the images are developed
and they can be stored as data.
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So again, much less bulk.
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So there are no films to carry around.
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You used to have to go get your films
and carried around.
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Now digital film,
digital images can be sent electronically
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so you don’t have to go
pick up your films.
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And then an added
technology is now 3D mammogram that Dr.
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Williams mentioned as tumor synthesis.
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And so they’ll take both 2D,
which is regular pictures
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and 3D images of your breasts.
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Again, just a better way of seeing
and delineating any lesions
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there for classes to your
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mammogram or forecast to the results
when you have your mammogram done.
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If you do your mammogram
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and it’s and it’s normal,
it’ll read out as a as as a code.
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I’m going to just use the word code,
code one, and that just means everything.
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That’s fine.
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You come back in the year,
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there’s a code two that’s also normal.
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They may see some
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fiber cystic changes that are all benign,
but again, everything is normal.
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You come back in the year
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if you do have to have a diagnostic
mammogram, if they look at that area
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and they think it’s probably normal,
they will say that.
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But they’ll say just in case,
let’s look again in six months
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to make sure nothing has changed.
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If there was a cyst,
it hasn’t gotten any larger.
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And so you’ll get a code of code three
and it says probably benign.
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And you need a short follow up.
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When you have that follow up,
if everything looks the same and looks
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normal,
you’ll go back to a class one or two
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where you just have
your mammograms done every year,
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and then there’s class
four where something does look suspicious.
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And then they do recommend intervention,
whether that be a biopsy
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or a follow up at the surgeon
for for better care.
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So that’s kind of like the breakdown
of getting your mammograms every year.
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And before Dr.
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GREENE goes into a discussion,
we found an article
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about the FDA in thermography
versus mammography.
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The other thing that I wanted to point out
is that there are very stringent
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standards for the mammogram machine. Yes.
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As well as how mammograms are done.
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And for our mammography curves,
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we have mammography on site
at our Peachtree City Office location.
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And Dr.
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Guthrie is a physician that helps oversee
the management of our imaging area
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where we have mammography
and pelvic ultrasound available.
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And we can confirm
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that it is a very involved,
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tedious, tedious and stringent process
to be certified
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their quality standards
that have to be met every week
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so that we make sure that the machine
is functioning properly,
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that the images are generated properly,
so that the radiologist
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who is reading these images is able
to see what they need to see.
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Because, again, we’re going to keep
keep hammering this point home to you
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that the whole point of this discussion
is that
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we’re talking about screening tests.
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We want to find something before
it is evident,
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because that is when we can treat
for cure.
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Thermography
does not detect cancer in early stages.
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It does not
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also, there are not any standards
for quality or effectiveness
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that have been determined
that can be reproduced.
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Time after time after time.
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Dr. Greene is going to go a long way
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just as a doctor, whereas he’s talked
about, in fact, our facility.
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We just passed our. Yes.
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So it’s like you said,
they’re very stringent codes
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and things that you do every week. You
have to check your machines every week.
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There are things that you do every year.
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And then there’s a big one
that’s every three years.
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And just to let you know how detailed it
is, they send out a notice
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eight months in advance
because you have to start taking pictures.
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You have to show all along the way in that
6 to 8 month period of time
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that your pictures are all consistent.
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You have to show that
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you are keeping up with maintenance.
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You have to show
that the level of radiation
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that that’s there is not too much,
you know.
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So it is a very, very stringent process.
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And so if
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thermography does not have any of that,
there is no from each facility.
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Facility, you do not know the quality
of testing that you’re getting done.
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Dr.. Greene And so that’s that’s
really the bottom line.
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Of course, obviously,
we’re supportive of of mammogram, but
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it’s not just the fact that we have one in
our office
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is the fact that we know
that it’s regulated.
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We know it’s regulated,
we know it passes tests.
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We know that it’s going to do
the best care
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for our patients
by detecting early disease.
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I cannot say that enough
that when you detect the disease early,
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it’s a greater risk of cure.
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One in eight
women will develop breast cancer.
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That number hasn’t changed.
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No matter what we do,
that’s going to happen
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and most of these women
are going to have a family history.
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And so saying that, will my breast feel
fine and I don’t have any family history.
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One in eight women develop breast cancer.
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So if you want to do something
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that’s going to give you the most chance
of surviving potentially a disease
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that you didn’t realize you have,
you want to do the best tests.
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And so the FDA, of course, has
to get involved when it comes to things
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that may be misleading.
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As we said before,
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mammogram identifies
tissue types with different densities.
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Thermography shows patterns of heat on
or near the surface of the body.
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There is no regulation
of how these machines are detecting
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these patterns of heat.
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And does a pattern of heat develop
when there’s an early stage disease?
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There is no scientific evidence
that that is the case.
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And so the FDA in this particular article
wanted to remind us that
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mammogram, the low dose
x ray imaging of the best of the breast
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is still the most effective primary cancer
screening test.
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They’re not aware
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of any scientific evidence
to support the claims that thermography
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is a proven alternative to mammography.
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One of the greatest
the greatest dangers from mammography
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is that those people that opt
for that method think that,
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you know, mammogram might hurt.
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So let’s just take the heat.
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But they’re going to miss the chance
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of actually getting something early
on by looking at just color patterns.
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They actually show a picture
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on the particular article
of the difference between the two.
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So if you’re actually looking at,
you know,
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mammograms here and thermography is here,
the mammograms actually detecting,
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you know, this could be a calcification,
this could be assessed.
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This could be an actual palpable lesion.
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Thermography is just showing heat changes.
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And that’s part of the problem
that there’s really no standard.
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So when are mammography or when
the radiologist looks at a mammogram film,
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the digital film, they’re looking to see
what those changes are.
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They’re actually looking to see, okay,
this might be suspicious going
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whether or not it’s a
you know, a stage four.
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It might not be it might be something
that we can follow a code three,
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you know, but they actually have
regulatory standards.
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Thermo Graham doesn’t have that.
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And so one of the reasons that, you know,
the FDA is concerned
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is the fact that, you know,
people are being missed.
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They’re getting their thermo grams year
after year.
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And we have patients that come in and say,
well, I had a thermal gram.
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And so I have to tell them the same thing.
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Thermo Graham isn’t regulated.
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There’s no scientific evidence
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that the
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place that you go to may be different
from some other place.
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The FDA has even taken a stringent steps
to keep people from actually getting
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firmer grams by sending letters out
because they are a regulatory commission.
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It’s not like they can actually do
anything to stop them.
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All they can do
is let them know that this is not right.
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This is not something that we support.
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This is not detecting disease.
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Women seek thermography
because it’s painless.
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A mammogram isn’t that painless?
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It is uncomfortable.
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I think that uncomfortable is worth it
when it comes to detecting something
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early. Exactly.
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You know, and everyone thinks this
and it’s and it doesn’t take a long time.
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It really does.
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You go in, as Dr.
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Cathy said,
you have your breast compressed.
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Your breast is compressed,
but it doesn’t hurt.
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Some people think, well,
my breasts are big.
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How are they going to see anything?
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Because it’s a regulated machine
that actually can detect
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breast cancer in any size
breast, big or small.
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It doesn’t matter.
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The bottom line is talk
to your health care provider.
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Talk to your health care provider
about what your risks are.
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Talk to your health care provider
about what your concerns are.
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Because if it is a concern that I am doing
something that’s going to hurt me less
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and that’s why I don’t want to do it.
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If you asked the facts, if not us,
somebody else who’s going to recommend
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why a mammogram is better,
why you should have mammogram?
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The facts
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behind the data behind the mammogram
that we can actually go over with you
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so that you have a little more less
reservation about having the mammogram.
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Two points.
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And it’s not to say that you can’t have
a thermal thermal gram done.
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It’s just that it is not a stand alone
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test to detect breast cancer early.
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So for early disease,
that’s the point, again,
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that we want that
we want to make that some women like that.
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Dr. Green says, well, choose
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only to get it through thermography
and then feel that they can rely on that.
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There’s a statement, since it can be
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used as an adjunct, tells me that there’s
something abnormal on a mammogram.
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If you wanted to get a thermal gram
to see if that area does
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light up, you can use it that way,
but not as a standalone test.
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Exactly.
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Also, another concern women
have is about radiation.
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So mammograms have slightly more radiation
than a regular chest X-ray.
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But I read an article
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it says, but it’s less than the radon
that you are exposed to in your home.
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Right.
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So so that’s another concern about women
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that so you have radiation all around you
every day.
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It’s a it’s a constant just because
you’re getting it right at that one time.
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But it is less than the overall radiation
that you exposed to at your home.
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They also compared it to
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everybody
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is exposed to they said about three.
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There’s a there’s a unit of measurement.
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It’s called a milli
let’s hang on me as a milli.
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But millisieverts that’s the that’s the
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that the unit of radiation
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a mammogram is point
four the average exposure
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for a year for the average US
citizen is three of these units.
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So they’re saying they’re comparing it
to that, getting a mammogram done is
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it is like is if it’s like seven weeks
worth of radiation
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but you get one time and that’s it
and then it’s still less than what you’re
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being exposed to at your home.
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So it’s you’re not getting measured.
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You’re not going to start glowing
in the dark when you get a mammogram then.
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Right.
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And the reason
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we really wanted to bring this out
and talk about this in detail is, again,
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I think you all know who listen to us in
previous seasons or who are our patients.
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We are heavy
proponents of patient education
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and giving you information
so that you can make an informed decision.
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We’re not here to tell you what to do.
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We’re just here to provide you
with the information that we feel
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is grounded in science
and fact and reproducibility.
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And so that is why we wanted to highlight
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the issue as it relates to thermography
versus mammography.
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Again, as the article
and the representatives of M.D.
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Anderson mentioned, even if a patient
comes in with an abnormal, abnormal
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therm exam report,
then they have to get a mammogram
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because you cannot base
any treatment decisions
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or anything based on the thermal gram
because it is not a regulated
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standard of care
for the detection of early disease
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or for following any disease processes
once they have been managed and treated.
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So this is to provide the information
so that you can make an informed decision.
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It that mammograms are safe, the amount
of radiation that you’re exposed to
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is minuscule in comparison to other things
that we’re exposed to every day.
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Mammograms may be uncomfortable,
but as Dr.
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GREENE mentioned, to be uncomfortable
for a few seconds, getting a mammogram,
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that will help me to detect anything early
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that I can
then get treatment for for cure.
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I’m okay with that,
as opposed to having to deal with
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potentially a lifetime of disruption
in my lifestyle
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or life span
because of undetected disease.
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Again, we’re all women,
we’re all of mammogram age.
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And so we’ve had mammograms.
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And so we understand that there may be
some discomfort and some habits
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and some hesitancy, but this is something
that we also do on a regular basis.
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I’ve had mammograms every year
since I turned 40.
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I’ve never had an abnormal mammogram,
thank goodness.
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I don’t know if my partners
want to talk about you know, we understand
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that, you know, having a test
can be anxiety provoking.
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And if you get that call back to say,
well, we see something, we think we
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need to give some additional studies
that can cause you some anxiety.
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Even as a physician,
even as a health care provider.
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But that’s the point we’re trying to find.
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If there is anything there
that needs to be addressed,
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find it early
so that it can be taken care of.
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Do you all want to talk
about your experiences in having to?
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Well,
I got a call back on my last mammogram.
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And of course.
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Yes, you’re you’re nervous.
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You’re not sure.
Is there something really there?
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But you have to keep in mind that
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that’s
that was the reason for doing the test.
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I have people who say, well,
they said my mammogram was abnormal.
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And then when they did everything,
everything turned out fine.
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That’s that’s what we want. Yes.
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So that it’s not
that the mammogram was wrong.
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It’s just that if there was something
there, they would have found it early
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to take care of it.
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So that’s what you have to keep
in the back of your mind.
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And that’s what I kept telling myself,
right, that this is the whole reason
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that they if there is something there,
then I want to know
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and I want to take care of it. Right.
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So yeah, we get nervous, we’re human and
I want to take care of it early, right?
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I probably get in about three callbacks.
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It’s like every other year,
every other breast, and a lot of reasons
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that you get callbacks or something is
different is because of breast densities.
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Younger women have really dense breasts
and some women have really, really,
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really dense breasts.
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So even with the compression,
they see something.
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They’re not really sure what it is
they want to do a as we say, a, you know,
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highlighted view of one particular area
to see what that is.
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So first call back, you know,
it was probably ten years ago
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and I was like, oh my God, you know, and
I have a family history of breast cancer.
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So of course my mind went there.
So I get it.
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I get it.
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My mom went there and I had already
planned my double mastectomy.
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And I remember not
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telling my husband that I had to call back
because he would go into overdrive.
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And so I was like, I’m
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just going to go get my additional study
and everything’s going to be okay.
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Yeah, talk myself off the ledge.
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And it was. It really was.
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And so the next year, mammogram was fine.
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The year after that got a callback
and I was like, okay, you know, and I
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and I and I, so
I and I always tell myself that
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as a physician, you are still human
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and you still have those same feelings
that your patients do.
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And so I get what patients feel
when they think I never called back,
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but it was okay before,
why do I have to do it?
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And I had the whole conversation
in my head
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and then I left it myself
because I thought, well,
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if I was the doctor
listening to this conversation, I’d say
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because that’s
what the mammograms force was designed.
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00:24:45,300 –> 00:24:47,669
So I went in and I got my you know,
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00:24:48,620 –> 00:24:51,273
I got my additional views
and everything was fine the next year.
459
00:24:51,273 –> 00:24:52,557
Everything was fine too.
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00:24:52,557 –> 00:24:56,912
And then I think the third callback back,
I said, you know, I’ve got dense breasts.
461
00:24:57,262 –> 00:25:00,866
Maybe I need to do a different type
of mammogram so I don’t get the callbacks.
462
00:25:00,866 –> 00:25:02,100
I don’t have the anxiety.
463
00:25:02,100 –> 00:25:04,853
Now, that being said,
when I had my mammogram this year,
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00:25:05,103 –> 00:25:08,073
because it’s on the off year
and last year, 3D mammogram was normal,
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00:25:08,240 –> 00:25:11,159
if I get a callback, I’m still going
to have that conversation in my head.
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00:25:11,510 –> 00:25:14,963
But I still will go back and
do the additional mammogram if I need to.
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00:25:14,996 –> 00:25:16,548
And you get your annual mammogram.
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00:25:16,548 –> 00:25:19,100
It doesn’t keep
it doesn’t keep me from being, you know.
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00:25:19,668 –> 00:25:20,902
And so I think that’s the point
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that we really want to drive home,
that a screening test, any screening test.
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00:25:25,156 –> 00:25:29,060
But we’re highlighting mammogram
as a screening test for breast cancer
472
00:25:29,394 –> 00:25:32,480
is designed to detect early disease.
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00:25:32,731 –> 00:25:35,867
So you may get callbacks
because they see something
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00:25:35,867 –> 00:25:38,486
that is abnormal
that requires additional study
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00:25:39,020 –> 00:25:41,690
and that means it’s a good test.
476
00:25:41,990 –> 00:25:45,977
It’s a good screening test because it is
doing what it is designed to do
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00:25:46,228 –> 00:25:48,079
so that we don’t miss anything.
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00:25:48,079 –> 00:25:51,449
And again, we want every woman
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00:25:51,800 –> 00:25:54,052
to be informed about their decision.
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00:25:54,569 –> 00:25:57,539
And I have patients
who just refuse to get a mammogram
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00:25:58,340 –> 00:25:59,791
and who may say they only want
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00:25:59,791 –> 00:26:03,028
to get a thermo graham and if is abnormal,
then they may do something.
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00:26:03,628 –> 00:26:07,315
If that is your decision,
I want it to be an informed decision
484
00:26:07,732 –> 00:26:11,186
so that you understand
that the test that you’re choosing to have
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00:26:11,836 –> 00:26:14,839
is not designed to detect
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00:26:15,257 –> 00:26:18,443
an early process.
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00:26:18,443 –> 00:26:22,314
It’s it’s just not it’s not regulated
in a way
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00:26:22,497 –> 00:26:26,451
that it can be reproduced
so that from year to year to year,
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00:26:26,635 –> 00:26:29,988
you can compare different images
to see if there’s something changing.
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00:26:30,739 –> 00:26:34,442
If there’s something abnormal
seen on a thermo graham,
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00:26:35,126 –> 00:26:38,580
then you have to get a mammogram
as a next step in terms of imaging.
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00:26:38,964 –> 00:26:42,467
So we just want you to have information
to know
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00:26:42,917 –> 00:26:46,705
what the facts are based on
the these different tests
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00:26:46,705 –> 00:26:49,257
and how they’re designed
and how they’re used.
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00:26:49,741 –> 00:26:53,211
So we in all of our episodes
and with everything we do
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00:26:53,211 –> 00:26:58,249
with our calling as being physicians,
we want you to know your options.
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00:26:58,466 –> 00:27:00,835
We want you to know yourself.
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00:27:00,835 –> 00:27:02,904
We want you to advocate for yourself.
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00:27:03,321 –> 00:27:07,909
But please, if you have questions
or concerns, we want you to go to
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00:27:09,077 –> 00:27:10,679
respected resources.
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00:27:10,679 –> 00:27:12,947
We want
you to talk to your health care provider
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00:27:13,231 –> 00:27:15,567
or find a health care provider
that you can talk to
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00:27:15,567 –> 00:27:17,218
to provide you with information.
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00:27:17,218 –> 00:27:21,656
You can also go to other resources,
health departments on the Komen
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00:27:21,656 –> 00:27:27,145
breast care hotline
and Komen is with the K k OMI in.
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00:27:27,145 –> 00:27:31,016
And that hotline number is 1877 go komen
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00:27:31,349 –> 00:27:35,420
877gokom
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00:27:35,420 –> 00:27:39,057
in cdcr also has a wealth of resources.
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00:27:39,324 –> 00:27:41,609
We know everyone is googling
and you can find
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00:27:42,077 –> 00:27:46,881
you can find a resource for everything,
but check the validity and the history
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00:27:47,215 –> 00:27:50,452
of who you’re getting your information
from so that you know,
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00:27:50,452 –> 00:27:53,972
if is something that you can rely on it
because your life depends on it.
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00:27:54,389 –> 00:27:56,958
This is about your life
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00:27:57,025 –> 00:27:58,910
and your quality of life.
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00:27:58,910 –> 00:28:01,379
Should something be detected?
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00:28:01,379 –> 00:28:03,298
Ladies, any other comments you have
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00:28:04,282 –> 00:28:05,784
get screened?
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00:28:05,784 –> 00:28:07,369
Yes, we can’t emphasize it enough.
519
00:28:07,369 –> 00:28:11,539
And even for those patients that come in
and either decide not to have a mammogram
520
00:28:11,790 –> 00:28:14,759
or decide to have a Thelma gram,
we’re going to give you the information.
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00:28:15,026 –> 00:28:16,861
You know,
we have to give you the information
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00:28:16,861 –> 00:28:18,863
because it’s personal to us.
523
00:28:19,080 –> 00:28:22,584
You know, as women, as women
that have had mammograms,
524
00:28:22,767 –> 00:28:25,336
as women that have known people
that have gotten breast cancer,
525
00:28:25,336 –> 00:28:28,940
it is very important because it is
treatable in its early stages.
526
00:28:29,240 –> 00:28:32,660
And so being that the mammogram
will detect it in the early stages,
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00:28:32,660 –> 00:28:35,063
we want people to get it. Yes, absolutely.
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00:28:35,580 –> 00:28:39,300
So once again, we appreciate you
taking your time to listen to us.
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00:28:39,617 –> 00:28:43,471
We hope that this information has been
helpful, has been informative, and we,
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00:28:43,471 –> 00:28:47,942
again, always want to encourage you
to be your own advocate for your health.
531
00:28:48,443 –> 00:28:50,879
Please share us with your family
and friends.
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00:28:50,879 –> 00:28:56,034
You can always visit our website
at ptcobgyn.com.
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00:28:56,034 –> 00:28:59,904
Listen to us wherever you get
your podcasts and until the next episode.
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I’m Dr. Mironda Williams. I’m Dr.
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Deanna Guthrie.
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And I’m Dr. Karen Greene. Take good care.
